Curse

MarlinBackna · Jun 22, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Abbess

Ecto is only a currency because it was chosen to be. However, by nature, it doesn't have to be. So if you only argument is being unwilling to change, then it by no means undermines the fact that substitutes will work just as fine. Furthermore, the fact there is so much resistance proves the economy needs to be weened from this ecto standard. There are substitutes and they therefore invalidate the need for ecto.

And gold was a currency because it was chosen to be. What is your point? Saying that I should switch to copper because "gold is standard, so we need to get away from it and make a new standard" isn't going to convince anyone. Change for the sake of change is idiotic. Ectos are a fine currency in a situation that needed an additional currency as trades can only be as high as 100k. The resistance is there because there is no point in changing. Ectos are reasonably stable, and there is a lot on the market that is used solely as currency. ZKeys are about 50/50 split between massive PvPers that are sitting on their stash to see if the price will continue to go up and massive PvPers that blew it all on the chest. ZKeys are being continuously used on the chest, ectos are being continuously used as currency. Why does it need to change? As I said before, change for the sake of it is not a backable argument.

Abedeus · Jun 22, 2008, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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You are only talking about survivability, which even still is a flawed argument. You are still ignoring AoE damage that makes certain areas difficult, along with certain well spells. Furthermore, SF builds are really not too effective in other areas! Mass healing and other enemy factors makes farming places fairly difficult. I think you would be suprised to find the list of places you can't farm, far outweighs the places you can't.

BOOOOONDEEEEEER.

Btw, my assa solo can clear almost all destroyers from 1st wave of Glint's Challenge, except for like 3 rangers that have high armor vs elemental dmg. Remind you - they have a healer with vengeful weapon, self-heal that is up 1/2 of the time that gives 15 pips of regen, uncapped (30 hp a second).

Oh, and the more enemies, the harder 600 has. The easier, however, A/E and A/Me have. The first one can deal more damage and faster with ele build, while the latter has more wtf damage.

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Then bye bye 600 runs, bye bye 55 runs.... only VwK will work.

OH NOES. Guess what, E/Mo, E/Me, E/W, R/N, R/x, Me/Rt, Rt/W, Rt/Me, Mo/D, D/Mo, D/Me, W/Me, R/Me, A/E and P/D will work.

Abbess · Jun 22, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by MarlinBackna

And gold was a currency because it was chosen to be. What is your point? Saying that I should switch to copper because "gold is standard, so we need to get away from it and make a new standard" isn't going to convince anyone. Change for the sake of change is idiotic. Ectos are a fine currency in a situation that needed an additional currency as trades can only be as high as 100k. The resistance is there because there is no point in changing. Ectos are reasonably stable, and there is a lot on the market that is used solely as currency. ZKeys are about 50/50 split between massive PvPers that are sitting on their stash to see if the price will continue to go up and massive PvPers that blew it all on the chest. ZKeys are being continuously used on the chest, ectos are being continuously used as currency. Why does it need to change? As I said before, change for the sake of it is not a backable argument.

Change isn't for the sake of change. My Zkey suggestion was to answer the rage at this SF Chaos plains run. I think ectos are fine the way they are. I don't see why all this hype developed around an influx of ecto in the market. Ecto still is maintaining its value around 4k. However, if people are freaking out over the SF run, they need to realize who stupid their hype is. Ergo, i introduced substitutes as a solution. I don't see why substitutes is any less valid a solution than a full fledged nerf.

Abedeus · Jun 22, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Uhm. Same as Celestial Sigil can't be a substitute for Ecto, same ZKey can't, Both are accessible to PvP people, not PvE.

Abbess · Jun 22, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Uhm. Same as Celestial Sigil can't be a substitute for Ecto, same ZKey can't, Both are accessible to PvP people, not PvE.

How are Zkeys and Celestial Sigs not accessible to PvE? Map travel to Great Temple of Balthazar tell me if you still can't find them.

Lomi79 · Jun 22, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

dont nerf SF or Chaos Plains let us poor people get some ectos so we can buy some weapons...

Pleikki · Jun 22, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Abbess

How are Zkeys and Celestial Sigs not accessible to PvE? Map travel to Great Temple of Balthazar tell me if you still can't find them.

but you cant get those with any PvE rewards so you need PvP for balths faction etc

Abbess · Jun 22, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

but you cant get those with any PvE rewards so you need PvP for balths faction etc

Fair enough. But even still, that doesn't change the fact there are other substitutes to ecto out there that are limited to PvE farming.

Riceboi · Jun 22, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Lomi79

dont nerf SF or Chaos Plains let us poor people get some ectos so we can buy some weapons...

I agree but it's bound to happen because of so many whiners...

Abbess · Jun 22, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Overall, I don't deny that SF is a powerful skill and that Chaos plains is putting more ecto on the market. However, neither carry the severity that warrants a nerf.

legacyofkain85 · Jun 22, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Imo nerf none because,i really want ectos to drop in price even more ,than i could get an fow armor for the same price as an elite armor.It creates a nice and easy farming spot for people with nice rewards in terms of gold(selling the ectos).Altho its quite powerful at farming chaos planes the same farming run could be acomplished before as an a/me ,not as fast as an a/e but it was possible before the sf buff.This is a broken skill but i do not need to remind everyone of ursan blessing or other broken and powerful pve skills

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Originally Posted by keli

Intresting, i could farm greens before the sf buffs. And ectos were about 5k before sf buff.
So yes, i would hit sf a bit

Interesting maybe because people were to dumb to figure out u could solo chaos planes on a terra tank,with a bit of hero help to get passed the aatxes

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

don't you guys understand, if you nerf SF, then what are going to equip your heroes with, a useless non-max weapon? SF is the only build that has the capacity to farm green weapons in NM/HM (HM particularly).

not really ,btw where did u got the fact that sf is the only build that can farm greens in nm/hm,also u could have farmed greens on a sf way before the buff ,
green farming was available since the green weapons were first introduced in prophecies way before factions,assassins and shadow form came in to play

Jongo River · Jun 22, 2008, 05:01 PM // 17:01

It's been a good week in GW, AFAIC. The SF run is fun and FoW armour just became more accessible. If ANet leave it be, the unbalanced profit will deteriorate, along with the price of ectos (which will become just another semi-expensive rare material, as it probably always should have been).

Anyway... 93 ectos and counting... no whinging is going to stop me getting my ranger obby now. MWAHAHA.

legacyofkain85 · Jun 22, 2008, 05:01 PM // 17:01

If u want to nerf to the death farming in uw make every mob go /D and give them rending touch,end of uw farming

Abbess · Jun 22, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

You know what the problem is! The Voice of Grenth is just too friendly! He lets everyone in! I mean honestly! I would never hire him to be a bouncer at a club.

Destiny2097 · Jun 22, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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If u want to nerf to the death farming in uw make every mob go /D and give them rending touch,end of uw farming

...except that rending touch is a spell so it won't work

Abedeus · Jun 22, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Abbess

You know what the problem is! The Voice of Grenth is just too friendly! He lets everyone in! I mean honestly! I would never hire him to be a bouncer at a club.

Nope.

1. Has to be ascended.
2. Has to pay 1k.
3. Favor has to be in-game... And that's it. So not everyone.

JONO51 · Jun 22, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Uhm. Same as Celestial Sigil can't be a substitute for Ecto, same ZKey can't, Both are accessible to PvP people, not PvE.

You can get ZKeys from tournie predictions with zero pvp involved, although kts only once a month, its still something.

Dark Paladin X · Jun 22, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Ok, name ONE solo build other than perma shadow-form that can farm Underworld easily, or farm bosses easily.

None! Because nerfing shadow form will make solo farming UW impossible. And besides, it's fine the way it is.

Abedeus · Jun 22, 2008, 05:59 PM // 17:59

That's exactly why it should be nerfed. It's too easy to farm UW or bosses.

And solo farming uw is NOT impossible. Wasn't impossible and won't be.

Jenn · Jun 22, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

If I had to choose, I would say nerf SF.

I think if aNet decides to nerf, they may choose the route they've gone in the past. By that I mean putting a cap on buffs like they did for armor or movement speed. Stuff doesn't stack higher than 33% or +24 armor unless an individual skill is designed to. Perhaps they will make like a 33% recharge cap (unless otherwise designated by a specific skill)?